Yeah it’s almost like they’re at an awards show for acting and not politics, and the arts are something worth celebrating instead of constantly shitting on
It sucks that Amy Poehler is so funny because unfortunately she’s also a feminist. Her and her bff here are just like the awful modern feminists. They just shit all over the achievement of a man at an EVENT FOR HIS ACHIEVEMENT in the name of feminism.
Meanwhile men don’t get the right to vote unless they sign paperwork allowing the government to turn them into expendable weapons. And no protection from infant genital mutilation. And no reproductive rights. And in many areas they cannot see justice if they are raped or abused.
But yeah, a short partial list of fictonal characters with happy endings and a long partial list of dead fictional characters is a problem.
Hey, op here. I agree with all of your points (except I’m unclear on the reproductive rights one, but that’s okay). I want gender equality, and I recognize that men face societal standards that are unfair, such as drafts and castration, and I don’t believe in either of them either.
However, I fail to see what any of that has to do with my post. These are two wildly different discussions, and the fact that I’m advocating equal LGBTQ representation doesn’t mean that I’m simultaneously not advocating for gender equality. Both of these things affect different groups of people in different ways. Why are we comparing them? Why are we hijacking completely unrelated posts? It’s pointless.
My addition to your post was intended to set in contrast the largest issues that affect the male and female genders in our culture. Female issues are things such as media coverage, social expectations, and similar soft issues. Men on the other hand lack actual legal rights in our society, by law just for being men.
There was nothing specific and superlative that singled out your post for me to comment on, I just saw a post about thoroughly trivial complaints from feminist sources and I thought that it was a good opportunity to put that in relief against the life-and-death issues that men suffer by comparison.
My post did not take anything away from your post. The original meaning is intact, and I started my own divergent conversation from it.
I think this should be a good sign, take a minute and think about the amount of straight men in things, how much would you like to bet if you looked at it all a majority of them die to further to story or don’t get a happy ending, it’s just the way narrative works. What this says to me is that Lesbians and Bi women are getting more representation. Bad things happen to fictional characters.
I completely understand where you’re coming from, bro. I really do, and I thought about that too. So I did some research and I thought about it, and here’s what I found :)
So, first of all, it turns out that media representation actually ISN’T on the increase for gay/bi women. In fact, since 1976, there have been less than 200 gay/bi women characters on tv or in movies at all. To put that in perspective, there are currently 400 tv shows airing through networks, broadcasting, and streaming services. That means that the total number of gay/bi women shown in tv shows AND movies since 1976 doesn’t even account for half the tv shows that are on air currently. To say the least, that sucks.
When these characters DO finally appear, they rarely last more than one season. In fact, overall, gay/bi women have an 80% death rate. Now, we’re really not opposed to these characters dying off. I mean, we’re a bit opposed to them dying off so frequently, and we’d like to see that rate lowered to a more realistic standard, but whatever. What we really dislike is that the vast majority of these deaths occur because of a jealous boyfriend or a father that can’t accept his daughters love for a girl or whatever. Very rarely do these deaths have meaning besides furthering the development of the main character, and very rarely do these characters get decent story lines.
To recap, we’re not opposed to our lesbian/bi characters dying, we’re opposed to how often they die (80% death rate) and how they never have decent, original story lines.
Also, yes, straight characters die all the time, but when they do, there’s a bunch more everywhere else. But a lot of times these writers will bring in an LGBTQ character so that they can say “look we have representation”, only to botch their story lines and kill them off within one season. Which also sucks, obviously.
Thanks for reading :)
Let me just say I love the level of discourse, so perhaps you’d allow me another rebuttal? It’s clear the attitudes towards homosexuality is becoming more sympathetic but it’s clearly not been so in recent history, could that perhaps account for the number of deaths? That is to say the fact that we know bad things have happened to homosexuals for decades compels writers to end their stories the way they seem to?
I think you’re absolutely correct with that point. There’s a whole history behind the LGBTQ movement that doesn’t get taught, and all people end up hearing about is the violence and hatred towards the LGBTQ community. I think that definitely has an impact on what is portrayed in our media, especially since the vast majority of producers and writers are straight. It’s the danger of a single story. Now, I don’t fault them for that, but I fault them for choosing not to address the issue when it’s presented to them. Jason Roth and other writers have chosen to just ignore their LGBTQ fans and hope the criticism goes away, which is what I have a problem with. That’s how a single story persists, you know? And therefore, we can’t use it as an excuse anymore. It’s a writers job to write a variety of different characters, and if they can’t write a character that is different from themselves in an accurate and developed way, then I don’t think they should be a writer, you know?
Eh I’m less inclined to believe “They don’t understand because they’re straight” and more “They want to sell the sensational.” So even indie filmakers and even LGBTQ filmmakers are more likely to focus on the violence or the big stories because they know it’s the kind of thing that gets peoples attention.
So, first of all, it turns out that media representation actually ISN’T on the increase for gay/bi women. In fact, since 1976, there have been less than 200 gay/bi women characters on tv or in movies at all. To put that in perspective, there are currently 400 tv shows airing through networks, broadcasting, and streaming services. That means that the total number of gay/bi women shown in tv shows AND movies since 1976 doesn’t even account for half the tv shows that are on air currently. To say the least, that sucks.
How does that prove that media representation isn’t increasing compared to what it used to be?
In fact, inability to grok context seems to be a running theme here.
In fact, overall, gay/bi women have an 80% death rate. Now, we’re really not opposed to these characters dying off. I mean, we’re a bit opposed to them dying off so frequently, and we’d like to see that rate lowered to a more realistic standard, but whatever.
What about the many, many characters whose sex lives we don’t explicitly know about? I didn’t learn that McGonagall had a husband until Pottermore came out. I was shipping her with Dumbledore until, well, you know.
Speaking of which, lots of people complained that Dumbledore being gay wasn’t explicitly made clear in the books. To which people, myself included, asked when it would have been appropriate in-universe for Harry to learn about Dumbledore’s love life. I’ve never heard an answer.
To recap, we’re not opposed to our lesbian/bi characters dying, we’re opposed to how often they die (80% death rate) and how they never have decent,
That’s an entirely subjective judgement, and I strongly doubt you’ve personally watched those 160 storylines.
original story lines.
Neither do most characters. Have you never heard of ’The Seven Basic Plots’. Star Wars is possibly the most famous and influential franchise of all time, and Lucas has basically admitted that he ripped off everything but the lightsabers.
What we really dislike is that the vast majority of these deaths occur because of a jealous boyfriend or a father that can’t accept his daughters love for a girl or whatever. Very rarely do these deaths have meaning besides furthering the development of the main character, and very rarely do these characters get decent story lines.
So you’re expecting supporting characters’ storylines to have main character importance. Based on lumping forty years of TV and films together, instead of comparing actual eras and including context. Sure, that makes sense.
What’s ironic is that as I understand it, the death that started this whole uproar involved a character who was involved with the female, bisexual lead character. Also, several of the modern examples are from shows like Scream Queens and American Horror Story and Supernatural and 24 and Buffy, which regularly kill off characters. I also like how Xena is included in there even though she died at the end of her long-running and popular TV series. In fact, most of the deaths on the list seem to be clustered in the last 15 years, less than a dozen examples are prior to 1996,
and some of them are from shows that already have a higher than usual amount of LGBT characters, like Dante’s Cove, Orange, or The L Word. Which indicates to me that representation is increasing.
Some of the examples are from Latin American shows, which strikes me as…reaching.
When I look at >the list<, deaths inflicted by fathers and boyfriends are actually pretty uncommon, so I’d really like to know what you’re basing your claim on. Heck, a fair amount seem to have been killed by their girlfriends or other women.
I wonder how much of the high death rate has to do with shows willing to show sexuality at all are more mature and mature shows having a higher death count overall.
Good point.
Take a show like Boardwalk Empire, several gay characters in that. But regardless of sexuality how many characters in that show got a happy ending at all?
Breaking it down, a white is killed by a black every 21.41 hours, a
white by a white every 3.49 hours, a white overall every 2.92 hours, a
black by a white every 46.35 hours, a black by a black every 3.90 hours,
a black overall every 3.51 hours. -Reddit
BlackLivesMatter supporter says that when white people are killed at a certain rate, then white people can ‘have’ #WhiteLivesMatter. Someone proves it’s already happening.
I’d really like to know where the 28 hours claim came from. You’d think whoever is checking these out, making sure it’s ‘unjust’ deaths, would be kept busy.
They pulled the 28 hour thing out of their ass to make room for their head.
THIS WILL BE HOW I DIE AARON DIAZ DISPLAYING LESS SELF-AWARENESS THAN ANY CREATURE EVER CAN
THIS IS HOW I DIE
Nigga Will Eisner invented the term graphic novel
There is a bloody “Will Eisner Award”
He was a WW2 soldier, came up with the cartoon character The Spirit and did so many comics it will make your eyes roll out of your skull
For Diaz to claim that Eisner was mediocre. What a shitty thing to say about a dead man who’s oeuvre so overshadows your own.
This is infuriating in so many different levels, not the least of which being Diaz completely overlooking Eisner being a jewish man working during the Great Depression, but what really gets me raging is where the fuck does he get off calling Eisner “mediocre”?
Aaron Diaz, whose layouts range from the disgustingly unreadable to the insufferably milquetoast, who struggles to make more than four pages of webcomic per year, who consistently fails time and time again to grasp the very fundamentals of comic book storytelling, is talking shit about Will Eisner?
Will Eisner, who pioneered dynamic panelling and storytelling, who worked his ass off for over half of the 20th Century, who was always years ahead of his peers but never above lending a hand, who studied and experimented with and believed, genuinely believed with absolute passion, in the medium of comic books? THAT Will Eisner?
I’d encourage Diaz to shove his comments up his ass where they belong, but I doubt he’d be willing (or able) to pull his head out of it first.
And it somehow got worse.
So not only does he not apologize for calling a champion of comic books “mediocre”, he says he intended it as a “comparison” with Jack Kirby. WHAT kind of comparison? Let’s see, they were both jewish. They both lived in NY. They both fought in WWII. Neither of them was mediocre. At all. They were both incredibly powerful storytellers who became huge influences on the medium as a whole. They loved comics dearly. So on exactly what mountain of absolute bullshit was Diaz standing on to compare these two titans? What was this original intent? And just how idiotic was it?
I know so little about being humble, and maybe I’m misunderstanding this, but if you put excuses for yourself in every part of your apology, doesn’t that make it not an apology?
Aaron Diaz continues to be a tool.
Insulting people based on their skin color like it’s completely normal, somebody please pop the bubble he’s living in.
Judge a man by their merit. Eisner and Kirby have done more comic book pages within a week than Aaron Diaz within a year.
Aaron Diaz is an ignorant racist.
Comparison to what?
Good grief
Shittywebcomics was calling out dipshits like Mr Amputee Fetish here and Horsefucker Leth before it was cool and got banned for it.
The character is trademarked. You are not ‘buying’ it, you would be negotiating for the right to use it. Guns are physical objects. This is so not the same.
Mic, remind me when you had to go to a website or special store just to buy Sudafed? Because my local pharmacy’s still open, and I’m pretty sure I could just jog over there and be back before a video of this segment finishes playing.
But it SOUNDS like a prescription drug and that’s what matters.
This is only mid-year and I didn’t even include the reports of mothers killing their children from previous years or other countries.”
The only thing “shocking” here is how far you’ve managed to cram your head up your own ass.
This post is disturbingly long.
REBLOG THE SHIT OF THIS. I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF PEOPLE TREATIG WOMEN LIKE INNOCENT GODDESS WHO NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG WHILE THEY TREAT ALL MEN LIKE ANIMALS.
I debated on whether or not to reblog this but damn those sources are a fucking feat and pretending that they dont exist erases the victims.
once in a blue moon someone on tumblr will acknowledge anyone other than a man has done something wrong
if your feminism involves overlooking crimes by women then it isn’t feminism
if your feminism involves overlooking crimes by women then it isn’t feminism
EVIL
Definitely can’t ignore this. Murder is murder. Plain and simple.
So I’m not gonna excuse murder but is nobody gonna call out @hominishostilis
Like yes you posted links about women murdering men who were rejected, but by the end none of that shit had to do about rejection. Some of them were just women who were just murderers like????!!!!!
This was a derailment and it ignores the fact that as a society we still condition men to think that women bodies are inherently theirs to objectify, hence why men get so mad and lash out when a woman rejects them
Tbh tho stfu.
Excuse you?
Call me out on what, pointing out that OP flat out lied? You’ll be happy to know she later messaged me admitting she hadn’t done any research on the topic.
It’s “derailing” to prove someone wrong, HOKAY!
Muh SUHS EYE OH TEEE! Please. Women are JUST as conditioned to objectify men, it happens EVERY DAY - the difference is, it’s ignored or blown off as no big deal. I bet I can open any major magazine publication and find you a dozen ads that objectify men in the same way others do women - it goes both ways. Men, as a gender, aren’t fucking robots programmed by “suhsioteee” to want to own women. If anything, we’re told the opinions of women are paramount to our status and worth as a male.
Isn’t it funny how often people who aren’t men try to claim they know all about what men think?
“I’m not gonna justify murder”
>Goes on to do just that with her argument, “waaah shut up!”
When I first joined the anti-feminists on tumblr, I had a lot of anger and a lot of arguments I wanted to take out on feminists. I searched the feminist tags and got offended at everything that feminists did.
I realize now how stupid that was. Nobody will listen to an irrational person who only uses insults and gifs in their arguments.
As I became aware that my useless tumblr fights only made beliefs stronger, I toned it down and removed my anti-feminist label. I realized that it’s not worth hunting down every misandrist or radfem. Most of them are trolls or only want to make antis angry - and it works.
So as I became less and less argumentative, I started to see anti-feminists and anti-sjws using bullying tactics - chasing down otherkin who weren’t hurting anyone, attacking genderfluid people, attacking people who put their mental illnesses on their blog, accusing people who had diagnosed illnesses of self-diagnosing…it’s really awful.
Nobody should be bullied like that - whether you’re an anti-WHATEVER or not.
And the saddest part is, a lot of anti-sjws/feminists like to say they’re better than the people they’re against, but they’re not. Different reasons, same tactics. And I’m sick of it. I’m tired of seeing people bully others because of their blog content. I’m tired of people attacking feminists because they have a feminist shirt or they dress their kids in feminist onesies.
Please. Just. Stop.
Grow up. Not everything is us vs. them. Reason, don’t attack. Just be decent fucking human beings to each other, okay?
no one’s inherently better than anyone else. We’re all equally shitty and good in equal measure.
I realized that it’s not worth hunting down every misandrist or radfem.
Most of them are trolls or only want to make antis angry - and it works.
Citation needed.
Different reasons, same tactics
Remind me when anti-SJWs pulled fire alarms and heckled, laughed at female suicide, harassed someone to attempted suicide, and got people kicked out of a convention for disagreeing? Oh, and poured urine on a reporter, forgot that one.
I get the feeling you’re talking about TumblrInAction, which is a subreddit with rather strict rules about actually contacting the people featured. More importantly, it’s not the same people as the anti-SJWs on Tumblr, though there is some overlap.
If someone is making up dozens of different sexualities and genders and expecting everyone to remember them - >I am not< >exaggerating< >in the slightest< - then I think they should be pointed at and laughed at, albeit not to their face.
But that’s not the same as bullying. And fo’ sure it’s not the same as real-world violence and harassment.
Anti-feminist takes a creepshot of a girl because she was (allegedly) wearing a “feminist” t-shirt. Does this not remind you of MTFOB?
Anti-sjws mock the death of a 6-yr-old because she was wearing Frozen pants. Gee, almost like that time sjws laughed at the death of a black man because he supported freedom of speech.
Anti-sjw defends Sarah Nyberg and admits she’s a pedophile. Yes, an anti-sjw supported one of the worst fuckers in the anti-GG community.
Same anti-sjw harasses jeancrocker while he is feeling suicidal, later denies that artists have been pushed to suicide.
Anti-sjws called me a pedophile because I, a person who doesn’t even like lolicon, defended it.
The blog “thotgallery” appears to be run by an anti-sjw. It’s literally a blog dedicated to posting women’s Facebook pages and such just to mock them.
Don’t even get me started on tradnat / natsoc tumblr.
That lady who had urine thrown at her was the same one who created #TheTriggering. By far the edgiest, cringiest, stupidest thing I’ve ever seen come out of an anti.
Anti-sjw lies about blocking people, also insults my boyfriend for no reason.
Same anti-sjw went on a mini-rant about how social media is horrible… while she not only uses social media, but makes money off of it!
Anti-sjw accuses Porky (the-eagle-atarian / steven-universe-official) of being an sjw and a feminist all because he said he didn’t care about Tracer’s ass.
Anti-sjw claims feminists caused the water poisoning in Flint.
About the kid doxxed by misandry-mermaid? Yeah, he was set up to be doxxed by /pol/. This was a case of extremist anti-sjws working hand-in-hand with an sjw to ruin a child’s life,
Anti-sjw tries to dictate what labels people can and can’t use.
Anti-sjws celebrate a woman’s death and say she deserved it. Thankfully, the story was fake, but the people celebrating her death are REAL.
Anti-sjw essentially says vandalism is okay.
Same anti-sjw claims to know more than a woman’s doctor and says she’s not really trying to lose weight if she hasn’t actually lost it.
Anti-sjw says the only reason women expect Valentine’s Day gifts are because they’re materialistic and entitled.
Same anti-sjw says you owe him sex if he buys you something.
Anti-sjw blocks me because I “support the filthy kikes.”
Anti-sjw laughs at Zamii and calls her stupid for attempting suicide.
Ah, I shall provide links when I can. There’s so many things here that I’d need to seriously dig. I dun’ have time for that.
And @theunnamedstranger, learn what “cuck” actually means. A cuck is someone who watches their partner have sex with others. Which, unless done wrong, isn’t really bad. It’s no different from watching porn… you’re just watching people have sex and beating off to it. Quite frankly, what other people do in their bedrooms is none of your damn business!
Anti-feminist takes a creepshot of a girl because she was (allegedly) wearing a “feminist” t-shirt. Does this not remind you of MTFOB?
Yes, it does. But while that was a popular website that added a new term to the lexicon and got added to a NY subway campaign, you have…one example. Bit of a reach.
Anti-sjws mock the death of a 6-yr-old because she was wearing Frozen pants. Gee, almost like that time sjws laughed at the death of a black man because he supported freedom of speech.
Funny. I saw that post on TumblrInAction, IIRC. A community heavily made up of anti-SJWs. Who were condemning it.
That lady who had urine thrown at her was the same one who created #TheTriggering. By far the edgiest, cringiest, stupidest thing I’ve ever seen come out of an anti.
Doesn’t seem very edgy to me. Quite the opposite. But if it was, I guess she was asking for it.
Same anti-sjw went on a mini-rant about how social media is horrible… while she not only uses social media, but makes money off of it!
And Doug “The Nostalgia Critic” Walker went on a Youtube rant about how Youtube’s copyright strike system is broken. Are people not allowed to complain about the flaws in systems they’re profiting from? Do teachers not get to complain about flaws in the educational system?
Anti-sjw claims feminists caused the water poisoning in Flint.
Specifically, his claim was that feminists diverted money that was supposed to go into infrastructure programs - like Flint - into social programs to benefit women.
Women did, in fact, receive a disproportionate amount of jobs in the program compared to jobs women actually lost in the recession. Whether feminism was responsible for this is another matter entirely.
Anti-sjw tries to dictate what labels people can and can’t use.
You mean like SJWs do all the time? Most of the time when I see anti-SJWs discussing labels, it’s pointing out how SJW labels are wrong and/or made up.
Anti-sjw laughs at Zamii and calls her stupid for attempting suicide.
The general consensus among anti-SJWs and many other people across the internet was that SJWs bullying her to suicide was horrible and wrong. I don’t recall anyone laughing at her for trying to kill herself.
Ah, I shall provide links when I can. There’s so many things here that I’d need to seriously dig. I dun’ have time for that.
Don’t bother. Just from the ones I’m familiar with, I’m not impressed by your accuracy. This mostly seems to be a collection of things some anti-SJWs did once, while many of the things people criticize about feminism and SJWs are actively supported by hundreds if not thousands of them.
The fire alarms thing at the University of Toronto was pretty much completely ignored by the mainstream feminist press, even as some lionized the woman who laughed at male suicide at the same event (Big Red), holding her up as an example of how meeean MRAs could be (while conveniently not mentioning the suicide thing). The Honey Badgers got turfed out of and banned from Calgary Expo. The narrative was that they had been disruptive - oh, wait, they have a recording showing they were both polite and had permission to disagree? Better stop talking about it, then.
Meanwhile, the protests at Mizzou about alleged drive-by racism and a poop swatstika may have led to the school losing money from lack of attendance. Another SJW assaulted a white kid for having dreadlocks. And then we come to thinks like the harassment of the Protein World model, and the guy who Mattress Girl accused.
I mean, I can just keep finding example after example of SJWs being immeasurably worse than anti-SJWs and being widely supported by other SJWs. What’ll you do? Keep ignoring the examples I provide?
+And @theunnamedstranger, learn what “cuck” actually means.
It’s also commonly used as a pejorative term for men who are perceived as being so unmanly that they are unable to sexually satisfy female partners, leading to them being cuckolded. Were you not aware that the term ‘cuckold’ predates the sexual fetish?
Perhaps you should learn what “cuck” actually means.
Quite frankly, what other people do in their bedrooms is none of your damn business!
Better tell all those anti-porn and anti-kink SJWs.
Aaaaand generally anti-SJWs remain the ones who can back their shit up with logic and evidence and not “muh feels”. Surprise surprise.
And now I’m mad that nobody told us we were given cows. Cause that’s really f*cking nice and nobody mentioned it at all.
American media tends to disregard that anyone donates to the US. And then Amurricans complain about money going abroad because “nobody helped the US in our disasters.”
>.>
Also, do you know how much a cow costs? O.O
It isn’t just a matter of how much a cow costs, its a matter of considering that Masai life is based around their cattle. Its their wealth, their food, and a significant part of their religion. Here’s a quote from Wikipedia:
“Traditional Maasai lifestyle centres around their cattle which constitute their primary source of food. The measure of a man’s wealth is in terms of cattle and children. A herd of 50 cattle is respectable, and the more children the better. A man who has plenty of one but not the other is considered to be poor.[37] A Maasai religious belief relates that God gave them all the cattle on earth, leading to the belief that rustling cattle from other tribes is a matter of taking back what is rightfully theirs, a practice that has become much less common.[38]”
So its not just “they gave us 14 cows”, its that they gave us something that is very important and significant to them, it is more than just a kind gesture that definitely deserves to be known and its a genuine shame that more people don’t know about it.
Wait, you guys DON’T KNOW that we offer help to the US when you have disasters???????
Shit, down here in Brazil we not only offered to send tracking units and doctors to help in 9/11 but we wanted to send a whole lot of donations to help with Katrina (we have experience with floods down here so we knew what kind of medicine to send to prevent outbreaks).
We alone had like 2 army airplanes full of medicine and non-perishables like baby formula, diapers, bottled water, mosquito nets and other stuff that’s needed to fight opportunistic diseases that hit flooded areas, enough to assist a good few thousand people at least, ready to go the day after it hit, but your government refused the donations.
The same thing happened to the Canadians and Europeans who offered help, the US embassies around the world told us all to give money to Red Cross.
And so we did, we all gave hundreds of millions of dollars to them, and then this happened:
So please, don’t you go spreading misinformation and prejudice against the rest of the world, WE DID OFFER HELP AND ORGANIZED IT EVEN FASTER THAN BUSH DID, BUT Y’ALL REFUSED IT.
Oh wow I had no idea this happened it’s really not talked about in media at all wow this is something good to know about wow
I’m so angry.
I didn’t know that other countries tried to help after 9/11 or Katrina. Like, that’s something we, the people, should hear about and we don’t.
Please don’t blame us for the shitty decisions our government makes. We don’t have as much control over our government as we would like to think and they keep a lot from us.
Spread this shit.
After Katrina, Cuba donated several hundred blankets. Think about that. A country that is suffering economically due directly to the US embargo offered to help us when we needed it by sending what they could. And once again, it was refused. We have a government that is so self-righteous that we refuse to accept disaster aid in order to maintain this facade that we are the most generous nation on earth.
It’s fucked up that people outside of America have more idea of the aid that was given after 9/11 than some Americans.